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Monday, 15 May 2017 15:38

Hawaii Lawyer: Trump Exec Order Violates 1st Amendment Because Honor Killings Are Islamic

Written by  Raheem Kassam

The lawyer representing the State of Hawaii in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit today has stated the collection of data with regards honor killings should be removed from President Trump’s Executive Order in order to “pass constitutional muster” In his arguments, Neal Katyal stated today that the collection of such data as outlined by the Executive Order 13780 contravenes the Establishment Clause, in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”.

In doing so, Katyal appears to be making the case that honor killings — murder committed in the name of restoring a family’s dignity following discouraged behaviour within fundamentalist homes — is in itself Islamic.

It is an argument often made by anti-Islam campaigners, but to hear such arguments made by the political left might surprise some, especially when honor killings are also found — though to a lesser extent — in other religious groups like the Sikh community.

“What does [the President] have to do to issue an executive order that, in your view, might pass constitutional muster?” asked Judge Paez of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, this afternoon.

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The Commies are spooning with the Islamic Barbarians.

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I am amazed how constitutional rights are bestowed to non citizens! If you are coming from the outside, we need to know more about you! Period! ! Try getting a new job with its none of your business attitude and see how far you go!! Does anyone remember 911?

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Just goes to show...STUPID...resides in the democrat party, next they will be arguing to the 9th circuit court that rape is legal when done by Islamist because it is a mere sexual emergency....so if one wants to rape women & children all they need do is submit to Islam...just saying, that's the 9th circuit for you.

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A lot of people have good comments about how absurd his statements are. Simple answer, the Bill of Rights and any protections of the Constitution of the United States of America, do not apply to NON-CITIZENS~!~ This individual is just blowing smoke trying to get his name in the papers and history will regard him as a fool.

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Wait, we prosecute parents whose beliefs about what is acceptable medical care affect the lives and deaths of their own children. So....??? Constitutional "rights" do not trump the constitutional right of others to live. Remember: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

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No. Honor Killings are nothing more than justifying murder and should be treated as such.

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I have not read this specific E.O. however, I have to ask the question ... gathering investigative information on honor killings, even though honor killings are not specifically Islamic.. do tend to occur all over the world.. in Japan, India, Korea and in China an many other parts of the world.. however, the constitution specifically states the word "ESTABLISH".. this word means to begin, to choose.. so the contitution itself does not allow the formation or start of a new religion nor does it condone the choice of religion.. IN GOVERNMENT! So, investigating Islam for either honor killings or FGM is not the Establishment of religion.. for many places have honor killings as part of an old culture.. not just the islamic one.. so where in the E.O. does it specificaly state an "ESTABLISHMENT" of religion?.. ugh...Can someone share with me the specific E.O. spoken about?.. please send it via reply to this comment.. thank you..

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The dept of homeland security and the CIA need to go down to Hawaii and make some arrests.. This much is obvious..

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WTF, Is this lawyer that stupid or has he been in the sun too long?

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I don't know what the idiots are doing in that picture, but I would love to have a discussion with them about immigration. My husband is a LEGAL immigrant and we do not have any sympathy for those who do not do it legally!

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Simon Redwine Written by Simon Redwine
May 15, 2017
Nor so any of the many LEGAL immigrants that I know..
(Updated: May 15, 2017)

You people who support this judge must have cracked brains! This is absolutely not a violation of the 1st amendment because most all of these idiots are not citizens of the United States. This attorney is not ruling by the laws of our country, but by his Democratic policies that opens the borders to anybody without vetting! This judge is as much as committing treason with this statement and should be removed from the bar! The best thing for our country would be to remove judges who rule according to their political persuasion and not by the law! President Trump is absolute right in making his statement about this ruling and practice of this absolutely insane practice by the Islamic Sharia Law false religion! THIS CULT SO-CALLED RELIGION MUST NEVER TAKE HOLD IN OUR COUNTRY OR WE WHO OPPOSE THEM ARE IN FOR REALLY BAD TIMES. IN FACT, MANY WILL BE FACING BARBARIC METHODS OF KILLING. LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD! THESE TERRORIST MUSLIM GROUPS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS TRUE FOR MUSLIMS WHO CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY OR OTHER ASPECTS OF LIFE FOR WHICH THEY DO NOT AGREE! THESE KILLERS MUST BE IRRADICATED FROM NOT ONLY OUR COUNTRY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, ASAP! FURTHERMORE, ALL FREEDOM LOVING COUNTRIES MUST JOIN IN THE FIGHT AGAINST THESE INHUMAN PEOPLE BECAUSE AMERICA CAN'T DO THAT ALONE! WE DEFINITELY NEED GOD'S INTERVENTION AS WELL!!

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What one believes should affect our decision if that person would be a contributing citizen. 2 thoughts...
1`] visualize each bag of M&Ms is a shipment of refugees. Now we have hundreds of M&M bags where each bag contains one or more M&Ms that will kill the consumer the instant they eat it. How many M&M bags should the government deliver into your community.
2.] Every practicing Islamist is subjugated to the Koran and Sharia Law ... That means a practicing Islamic must annihilate (by whatever means and however long it takes), reject (not obey) any set of laws (USA’s Constitution, laws and the legislative and enforcement systems) and all non-Islamic entities (Biblical believers, edifices and principles) not subjugated as they are.
To do so, all forms of lying, cheating, subterfuge, breaking of contracts, deception, murder, killings, terrorism and any anti-Biblical means that brings honor and glory to Allah (Satan) are praiseworthy to all Islamist. Hence Obama (a not so covert Muslim) and his peers never critiqued or condemned those actions unless it was ‘taqiyya’ (an approved form of deception to pretend they are offended while inwardly rejoicing and supporting such actions).
Simply put, while many may deny it, every Islamist is a warrior and at war (to some degree) with every non-Islamist.
Too few Americans understand (been blinded to and isolated from) the absolute hatred of the Islamic faith to our Constitution, legal system, Biblical believers and principles. The Satan authored Koran is the antithesis to and counterfeit of God's Bible.
3] Please do your research and correct me. I have several friends who were Muslims (I may never know but they still may be).

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Marie Farbar Written by Marie Farbar
May 15, 2017
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May 15, 2017
The Amendment protecting religion was not meant to allow or endorse murder in non defensive situations.

This country does not need people commiting crimes in the name of religion including a new group of Christian Crusaders.

The Authors of the Amendment did not want its own version of the Anglican Church which was set up by England.
Peter E Ward Written by Peter E Ward
May 15, 2017
Just responding to Eugene's comment. The first point is a nonsense, in that the consumption of food products is a matter of choice (despite the influence of advertising). The individual has the ability and the choice to look at the package and see what the constituent ingredients are (such as sugar content). That is what labelling is for; in fact it is illegal on the part of manufacturers not to list the ingredients . . . therefore the potentially vulnerable idiot that fails to check the packaging is at fault ('duty of care' having been duly exercised).
The second point, and the most important one, is entirely valid, in that it points to the nonsense underlying the lawyer's argument. Of course 'honour killings are an aspect of Islamic jurisprudence, but Islamic jurisprudence have nothing whatsoever to do with US law. Central to the law in the entire Anglo-sphere is the seventh commandment: 'Thou shalt not kill'. End of story.
The whole moral relativism of the liberals is designed to drag American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, Fijian, English, Irish law down to the level of that of the barbarian.
Obama may have been happy with that, but Trump was elected for something just a little more elevated.
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Eugene Waldenmaier Written by Eugene Waldenmaier
May 15, 2017
In the first pint I apparently was not clear enough for you. If every bag of M&Ms had one M&M that would kill you instantly the moment you ate it [and it could not be discerned from all others by smell taste etc] how many M&Ms would you eat from that bag?
OK. now how many of those bags (each with a poisonous M&M) would you think should be distributed.
Well, with the import of refugees, it can be shown that a significant are sleepers waiting to execute what their belief calls them to do.
I believe we have a conspiracy to bring in those to fight us from within and destroy our country so the NWO can then come in to restore their order upon this country.
Trump is trying to keep those people out. What do you suggest.
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Aries Girl Written by Aries Girl
May 16, 2017
Let the demotards eat the M&Ms.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”

1. The U.S. Constitution applies to U.S. citizens, not foreigners.
2. President Trump did not establish a religion with this executive order
3. Congress did not make a law. This was an executive order by the PRESIDENT.

Can we please wrap this up? If the above 3 facts do not kill the arguments of the attorney for Hawaii, then we are truly living in an upside down world where words and language have no meaning. All these legal arguments amount to nothing more than liking to hear each other speak and pontificating about rights and wrongs. This is disgraceful.

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Honor Killings and Female Genital Mutilation are Gender Based Violence and Human Rights abuses! When did the US stop caring how women are treated? When did we start saying it's okay that people with 9th Century thinking and torture come into the US and tell us Americans how we're going to treat women and girls? We have policies and laws regarding the treatment and care of girls and women and we don't need a bunch of out of touch, 9th Century Islamic radicals how things are going to be in the US!

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Where in the hell do these loony lawyers and judges come from, this remark by that Hawaiian lawyer is completely insane.

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William Collins Written by William Collins
May 15, 2017
The 1st Amendment to the constitution and Bill of Rights states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". It's interesting how on one hand Islamic honor killings are somehow protected by the 1st Amendment, in the twisted mind of an attorney, and probably others, while Christians are having their freedoms violated by forcing them to accommodate the gay perversion of marriage.
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Richard Kubena Written by Richard Kubena
May 15, 2017
It is completely mind bending to fathom the shear lunacy of some those that try to create law from the lower courts judicial bench right along with these leftist attorneys.

This lawyer must be a Muslim. Why else would he make such an idiot statement. Those people in Hawaii with the signs do not have to worry about illegal aliens. I do not believe any of them can swim that far. Maybe we should take about 1,000,000 illegals and send them to Hawaii as it seems they want them. Then lets see them wave their signs.

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Idiocy, sheer idiocy! This man is a FOOL!

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This guy is a blithering idiot. Apparently can't read and understand that which he quoted.
He said "contravenes the Establishment Clause, in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”."
There is NO SUCH THING AS AN 'ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE' in the Constitution. It is a figment of the left-wing imagination.
This Executive Order 13780 is an "EXECUTIVE ORDER" not a Congressional law.
And since when did we start using the Constitution to condone, permit and even encourage, MURDER?
Planned Parenthood?

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Kirk Kahler Written by Kirk Kahler
May 15, 2017
are you kidding me this guy is insane ! murder is murder no matter what any one has to say ! I cant be leave this ass to say that is is ok to murder some one to save face ! we here in America do not need this and after what he has said and is will to rule on tells me that he needs to step down asap you do not give any one the right to kill some one to save face and say that it is ok ! murder is murder and you need to strait to the chair for the crime yes crime that is what murder is ! OMG what an ass he must be part of the leftist corrupt cartel that wants to destroy America take a way our freedom by pass the laws give our land a way and let illegals rule over us ! after reading this crap I am so pissed !!!!!!!
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DAVE BRABANDER Written by DAVE BRABANDER
May 15, 2017
I agree with you 100%.

Wonder what law is he refuting too because this is America and Americans cone first this is not the middle east. This judge doesn't even know what the first amendment even means he's probably being paid to say and that the amendment is probably rewritten to suit the Muslims. Obama has broken the law by letting these,Muslims into this country period. And if Hawaii wants them they should take them all including the refugees coming here

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Gregory Hamlin Written by Gregory Hamlin
May 15, 2017
Totally nuts.If honor killing is a right because of religious belief then all kinds of what is considered immoral and illegal should be ok because of someone elses religious belief.Where does this kind of insanity end.

Since when does our constitution protect someone for murder?? These sick liberals are absolutely without conscious!! And must be stopped at all costs!!

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